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hello hi hi everybody we are having a
game scheduled at this stage right now
if you want to stay and play the game
it's going to be in
English
so we're are going to
start very soon if you want to stay
you're welcome to stay if you don't want
to stay you can also stay and hang
out and the game is called nomic it's
not like any other game you've played
it's going to blow your mind you're
going to want to tell everybody about
this game especially if you are a nerd
in law
or or it's going to it's going to be
fun and the fundamental idea of this
game is about changing
rules so you make the rules of the
game so can I have a show off hands
who's going to stay and join the
game yeah yeah if you want to stay and
join a game game would you come closer
and take a chair or bench and come
closer because that will involve a bit
of
talking so if you want to stay and play
the game please come closer to me and
sit in a
circle okay yeah yeah yeah oh I mean
come closer if you want like it's better
that everybody sits in a circle if you
want to join the game yeah you can
continue eating having your
lunch
wow
alaka
nice
great all good everybody who's going to
join the game
nice so I have the rules there is a
initial set of rules that I have it on a
online notepad that that if you want to
look at it on your own device you're
welcome to scan the QR
code I think that will give you access
the viewing access to the
notepad which I will oh sorry I think um
which I will show on a screen as
well but in case you want to have a
reference in your hand you're welcome to
scan the QR code does it
work good great awesome
um so I have the editing right to the
pad and the fundamental idea of the game
is that every move every player plays is
a suggestion of changing the
rules okay so every one of you every
player of you will
participate by making suggestions to
change the rules of the
game okay and there are two sets of rule
two types of rules to begin
with one is immutable rules which means
immutable mutable means oh okay mutable
means to that is able you are able to
change and immutable rules means that
they are not you cannot change it but
you can make suggestion to move it to
mutable rules then you can change
it do you understand what does it mean
okay so this is this is the mutable
rules and this is the immutable
rules okay so these in the rules in the
category of immutable
rules you are not able to change them to
begin
with question so which rules are
immutable here we can see the ones that
beg begin with one 101 these are
immutable
rules and the ones that begin
with two are mutable
rules okay so what it means is that when
we start
playing if you want to change the rule
of 101 you first have
to suggest that we move
101
to the second box which is
here
20 question do you understand so
everything that starts with
one are immutable rules and they cannot
be changed directly you cannot say oh I
want to change 10 something but in the
box of
2011
they are mutable rules and you can
suggest to change them directly for
example this rule that says one turn
takes no more than 3 minutes you can
suggest to change it
to one turn takes up to 5 minutes let's
say okay but if it is in the number of
one or
something whatever is in there you have
have to say okay now we move them into
this
box before changing
them does it make sense do you
understand great okay if you have any
question please ask at any
moment yes question what is the goal of
the
game what is the goal of the
game that is the best question
exactly what is the goal of the
game normally what is the goal of a game
why do you play a game to win right to
win what does it say right now in this
game in the initial set of rules does it
say anything about winning do you see a
rule yes which
one what does it say the winner is first
person
yes and it is you know the box of
mutable rules right what does it mean
can be changed it can be
changed 50s it could be 50 points and
think Wilder does it have to be points
could be any it could be anything
exactly what could it be what would you
like to have you know you can have five
AAS
or make a suggestion you can you can you
can you can Define the rules it's your
right first personing ack
Hood exactly the first person who wears
a heart rock
hoodie could it be if you if you make
the suggestion to change the rules and
everybody votes for you then yes then
you
win do you get it
now what is the point of the game then
whats yes what are the points what are
the
yeah Curr the rulers 100 positive points
and oh there rules about points exactly
There are rules of
points but they are in the mutable box
which means Chang they can be
changed uh does the game end does the
game end what do you
think it doesn't say now in the current
set of rules can it be
said we can change it yes and can you
put the yes of
course so one more time this is the
barcod of the existing set of rules that
if you want to have the reference on
your
device that is the same as what is
displayed on the screen right now you
kind of need the reference on your
device I think you kind of needed device
on yes you kind of need
it and I will need some help
with dou menting the points first of all
or do we do it on the honor System that
everybody writes down their own points
and keep track of their own points what
do you suggest what do you prefer or do
you want to have a public board that I
display on the
screen a public board I would display on
the screen
okay which means then we'll have to ask
for everybody's name
and I mean you basically just have to
ask for people's names once they get
point
right
yes
exactly
yeah
mhm okay
now last step before we start the most
awesome game of all
games we're going to go through all the
rules we have right
now okay so this is just the rules I
wrote up from also previous
players and you have a loose set of
rules that you can begin with and now we
can can we read it out one by
one
yeah rul mutable rules you can go louder
all rules change proposed in the proper
way shall be voted on they will be
adopted if and if and only if they
receive the required number of
Works 102 every player is an eligible
voter every eligible voter must
participate in every vote on rule Chang
great so there are some terms is it a
bit more formal if you don't understand
please ask
okay 103 rule
change effect earlier than the moment
the completion of the vot that adopted
it of the vot that adopted it even if
it's
wording explicitly States otherwise no
rule change may have retroactive
application
104 each proposed rule change shall be
given a rank order number oral number
for reference the numbers shall begin
with 301 and each rule change proposed
in the proper way shall receive the next
successive integer whether or not the
proposal is
adopted
last
106 rules that inconsistent in any way
with some immutable rules except by
proposing to trans you this a holy void
and
107 there must always be at least one
mutable rule the adoption of rule
changes must never
become
108 you're not playing okay are you
playing are
you oh okay it's it's also on a
screen yeah go ahead if a rule change as
proposed unclear ambiguous paradoxical
or clearly
destructive or it arguable consists of
two or more rule changes ined or is an
amendment that makes no
difference
other the other
players or argue against the the vote a
reasonable amount of time must be
allowed for this debate the proponent
decides on the final form proposal is to
be voted on and decide for time to end
debate and vote the
only a negative
vote
109 whatever is not
explicitly
explicit for or regulate by a r perment
and unregulated with the sole exception
of changing the rules which is perit
only when a rule or
set
implicitly does it make
sense what does it mean
do you understand
it translation nice
okay now okay so another set mutable
rules
two1 alterate
one
turn may not be skipped or pass PS parts
of turn may not be omitted all players
begin with zero
points one turn takes no more than three
minutes consists of two parts in this
osing one rule change and
having throwing One D one and adding
number of points in the
space
203 a rule change is adopted if and only
if the V is
an among
the yeah that's a very important
word
unanimous do you know what that
means yes a unanimous vote it means that
everybody has to vote for it
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if and when Ru changes can be adopted
without the players who vote against
winning proposals shall receive 10
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points
CH the player who proposed it loses
10s
207
208 winner is the first
person at no
time to
10 I will have to ask you
to move to the
back
yeah and also
you if you're not participating in the
game may ask you to move to the back oh
okay you're
charging
200 players may not conspire for consult
consult of the making of future World
Changers unless they are
teammates
I don't quite get what it
means you don't understand it means that
you cannot talk to each other about what
rule you're going to make unless your
teammates teams are there teams how do
you create a team how do you create a
team currently I have no teammates I
guess currently you don't have any
teammates another
exactly you might have to make a rule
about how to create
teammates if two or more mutable rules
conflict with one another or two or more
IM
precedence that means the lower number
of the rule will be
followed all right is there any question
at this stage after we've read all the
rules we have on hand right now do you
get everything
great and now we're escorting our two
young gentlemen to the back of their
room is this okay when when
yeah
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do you want to
join no okay all
right all right now that everybody's
ready ready for the game and we shall
start
great do you remember how to
start okay let's say the
youngest we start from the
youngest the youngest hacker in the
room are you the youngest
David
yeah 14 younger than 14 anybody younger
than
14 no okay 14 David you
start you start you can you can either
suggest to move anything from 10
something to 20 something from the
immutable rules from the immutable rules
to mutable rules or you can suggest a
new
rule
or you can say delete one rule that's
also fine or you can say modify any of
the existing
rules yeah you can say anything like
from the 200
box and I will make a timer
because in case that you will take
forever to decide I will make a thre
Minute
Timer I would change rule to hand you
would change rule to
109
two
um more
than
100
great 100 you sure okay all
right the lower number takes President
right yes so because we the number
3019 am
I I mean basically replace the rule
right yeah so everything so everything
that comes now will start from
300 can the rule number change rule
number yes because once you change it
that one is is gone okay so it's a
replacement yes okay
thank all right
now remember how to get the rule passed
at this stage what do we
need yeah we need to vote on it and
every player needs to vote on it and we
need a what kind of
vote rule are you animous vote we need a
unanimous vote to get it passed okay so
now let's vote on
it do we who is
for to change rule
209 to 100 mutable
rules okay we have one against it so
immediately it doesn't get
passed
so yeah another yeah exactly so another
rule we have is
that we need to alternate the in
clockwise order which gives us you okay
then I would like to propose to change
rule
203
203 um I would like to uh change it to
if and only if the vote uh is in
majority in
favor so we no longer have to everybody
agree on a on a rule change but we would
have to basically the majority has to
before and then a rule gets accepted so
we would change to a democracy from a
consent based
system a okay um if the vote if the
majority of the eligible voters is in
favor
of vot in
favor correct is this how you want to
phrase
it so maybe vote in favor of the change
be entirely
precise yes this is important so a rule
change is adopted if only if the
majority of the eligible voters vote in
favor of the
change vote vote now we have to vote
does everybody vote pass yes okay gets
adopted
nice now you
can roll a
dice which is
here you can I'll start rolling and then
no wait what do you want can I roll a
bigger dice which one which one I mean I
could roll a 100 side of di no but now
20
okay and then you can say start I'll
click row
start oh you get
16
okay only
r no you get to roll either way we
didn't get that's
true
say
start you got a
three
okay so now we can
see in the set of mutable rules which
means that things can be
changed that rule number 203 is changed
to rule 2 301 one now it
becomes a rule change is adopted if and
only if the majority of the eligible
voters vote in favor of the change and
right now we have 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 voters
and players if we have more than four
votes then we get a rule
passed
okay great
next
one we have one more player coming
back all right okay do you want
to should
we we skipped you
last okay do you want to jump back in I
I I think I'd rather watch because you
have to get back to right
okay so you're playing right so you can
and everything
while can I can you change the rules so
I can play with you while I'm here and
then leave I think we don't need to
change the rules yeah we don't have to
change the rules to allow that we can
just go ahead and do that I just don't
know what to
do yeah
okay
now may know your
name e
eia
email cool do you want to make a
suggestion email
yes you want to create new
rule which
is
okay do we have something like
that we do not currently have any
restrictions so this is a new rule
at no
time May there be more than 15 IM
immutable
rules
okay and now
vote we have 1 2 3 4 5 6
7
pass okay now we
have so there is a rule that
says if and when rule changes can be
adopted without un unan
unanimity the players who vote against
winning proposal
shall receive 10 points a
piece so that means you received 10
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points4 yeah but um before that we need
to roll the dice for
email oh wow you get
20
nice and what's her name Teo Teo t i m o
yes and you get do you remember how many
10
points just by being
contrarian
violated rule two a
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while
correct what do we do in that
case did we because we haven't actually
is there who's
eligible because it just says every
player is an eligible voter and if
are you a player I know for
that so because you're not playing I
would say you're not a
player I'd say going out of the game and
returning might make you
a but when you're playing
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right so you can create a rule that St
that the player present someone who's
not not eligible I guess we need
a oh but I mean I guess we can
discussing in the team whatever
team I guess we have to fight what a
team is we also violating
anything oh no we are this we're just
allowed to discuss something if we're
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teammates
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I yeah we have
a good
point how do we resolve
this don't have a rule on that we don't
have a rule on that
yet a
conflict but is there a conflict rule is
there a conflict if there isn't a
rule good
question I think we can make teams
without can
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we your turn it would be my turn to
propose first what's your name mon
Monica
Mica
okay and Monica is your your
turn so based on the discussions earlier
what do other players want and what do
you want I would propose a rule that
there can be teams there can be
teams it's a new rule there can be
teams and the teams need to announced at
the beginning of each group each round
and
say
for each
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turn uh yeah each turn each
turn that takes yeah so like every every
time a new player says something that's
each turn oh okay yeah no I I meant one
one one round one
round one round is one from the first
player finishing till the last player
and then starts again from the first
player that will be one
round but if
I play and then then leave the round
before the round
over that makes
my it needs to stop until you're back or
maybe the
round or am I not allowed
to it means that um if you're
in then your teammate can go
your and get
double how big is
the what what does it mean for them to
be announced like who announces a team
what if I announce everybody as a team
and you announce no just me like
how
um I think uh the um in the beginning of
each round
um
uh with he wants or he wants to be in a
team and
um yeah then we need more rules if uh if
there's a conflict what happens
actually the teams need to
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Define but is it easy to defign a player
and then go from there so you basically
say
I we still discussing the problem of
leaving and coming back and no just
just I didn't make a proposal just for
leaving and coming
back what team just to have a
team then you
can rules what team can
do okay now you have to finalize your
rle you want to
play I just if you want to play you
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here new players if you want to join
please come over
here
yeah yeah I can put up the QR code again
this is the QR code of the rules that
with the rule book that we're going with
right now think I already SC it you
already scan it
cool all right Monica now let's get back
to you finalize your
rule
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yes teams are announced at the beginning
of each
round and the rest I
leave okay we leave some
ambiguity this is how you want the rule
to be
um think think I I don't have more time
for fing with more details
okay shall we is this the form you want
to be voted
upon yes okay now every player time to
vote okay if you you vote for please
stand
up
okay we have four
votes no that's not enough I'm afraid
that is
not
pass um that is not passed
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so
however who was against David was
against wait for
sorry oh that's true you're right it's
not a win and proposal you're right my
bad your
dice you get
11
your turn may I know your name Hannah
Hannah okay let's see Hannah what have
you
got a new
rule it's also about creating teams yes
then
your your number of votes doubl so te
were to team up then we would be worth
four votes okay always have to vote the
same
thing have to then agree to always be
voting right votes would be but they
would
always one one one players team
up the number of players votes dou
okay
T up all team
mates I don't know how to use this
keyboard his points
double
and their votes shall be consistent
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they're votes meaning that they have to
vote on the same thing did you suggest
that their points also double or did you
suggest that the votes
double oh okay the
vce Bas yeah okay so each teammate gets
two
votes no because we would have to on the
same yeah but if you say there is
consistent and each gets to votes then
it you have
to
okay
so you're Hannah you're suggesting a new
rule one te one players's team up each
teammate gets two votes and their votes
shall be
consistent must be must
be must be
consistent are there any questions
confusions very
confused the team of two
players but we still can't form teams
right we need a rule to form teams later
because this gets decided nothing
happens until
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we
is there a question
answered what is
it what's the answer a team of two
players
get yes can we change the wording so it
says like when te must play up and their
wordss are consistent then they
get
like this is how
her proposal
Hana I want to
change did you mean that they have to
vote the same thing or did you mean that
if they vote the same thing then the
votes called double no they have
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to okay
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so one players team up their votes must
be consistent and each teammate gets two
votes yes correct all right every player
time to
vote 1 2 3
4 5 6 all right we got
majority points just
H
so it gets passed now we have a new rule
one players team up their votes must be
consistent and each teammate gets two
votes and the players voted and the
players voted against get 10
points could you yes Emil do have a
question
good point very good point yeah actually
I mean not before we create this rule
but before it's valid because this one
has a lower number right so we basically
we agree on this which we just did we
added the new rule but for it to come
into
effect exactly
exactly that's a very good point maybe
it's easier with the microphone for the
audience yes yeah
yeah if you
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want
team use the word team instead of
players the ru but now I've now my rule
is voted on I can't change it but yeah
for the next person yeah
great
um as for the points I think both of us
we lost our our suggestion for a change
and I think we we then have minus points
right
exactly you should have minus
points so that was minus
10 who can tell me how to
okay wait
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so um if you propose a rule suggestion
and it loses you get minus 10 points but
if you
vote against a rule that is then decided
to come into place then you get plus
10 so it basically incentivizes you to
be contrarian on things where the
majority is in
favor okay yeah so at the moment the
the all good yes very good I love R
amazing I'm glad you love the rules do
you want to join the
game great our Chef is g to come back
you want to come on
stage oh this one okay there you
go yeah there's some very devoted fans
for the
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game so just as a reminder that at the
moment inmutable rules we have some
rules about the point system one being
as Alex has suggested that if you're
contrarian against the
majority then you are incentivized
because you know not every not to say
majority always have the best idea you
mind for everybody right so maybe this
rule is not good and you vote against it
but it still get passed but you will
receive 10 points just because you're
against
it I have a question do we have a rule
about when to when you can still change
your vote so if like thumbs go up and
you see oh there's a majority you turn
come down or good point maybe someone is
cheating we don't have it yet but you
may think about it it's not cheating if
there's no
Ro exactly maybe it's not Che that's
very true very good
points and another rule we have at the
moment about points is that 206 when a
proposed rule change is defeated the
player who proposed it loses 10 points
and 103 right says that um no
rule Yeah so basically 103 says that no
rule changed comes into effect before
the vote is completed which basically
means that you can change your vote
throughout because it just changes like
the moment the vote is done so the
voting counts in that
moment so vote as late as
possible shall we continue shall we
continue um not yet because uh Hannah
hasn't rolled a dice oh yeah there you
are we're going to roll a dice for
you
six
and also before that before we proceed
the people who voted against hana's rule
will receive 10 points that includes
you what's your name SP
Sven
okay spin gets 10
points did you vote against it yes okay
you also get 10 points
Timo is a
Serial
contrarian
and it is rule
number 204
204
only it was it was voted for it was
voted by majority it was adopted it's
just not valid because there's a rule
with a lower number that says a
different thing but it's in the rule
set no it was yes six people adopted
meaning that it is being part of the
rules
now no we have we have six people thumbs
up
it was it was majority
vote all right any any
confusions
or
misunderstanding nothing against this
for this turn yes I also voted against
it you voted against it and I think I
saw at least four other
that was okay let's let's go again come
again you voted for it right and Hannah
voted for
it and emel you voted for it you didn't
you voted against
it I voted for it you voted for
it so that was six
votes and yeah they all voted for
it but you also get 10
points you voted against it Emil as
well both of you get 10
points
okay now it is sven's
turn Sven well uh I'd like to go back to
the rule 102 uh problem and I would like
to define or create a rule that defines
that a player is only a player when he's
present at Dev voting okay before you
continue remember there is a very
fundamental rule that it is 102 is a
immutable rule which means that you have
to move it to I won't I don't want to uh
change the rule I want to Define what a
player is I want to create a rule that
defines what a player is um that's so
that one or two St okay you want to
Define what a player is exactly which
means you want to add a new rule exactly
in a mutable rule
box in yeah the the standard mutable
rule box exactly you have you have to be
very precise I'll try to be
great therefore we have rues
304 that says a player is propose a
player is
uh
only only only a person present at the
voting can be a
player is a person present
is and only
is
a person present at the voting
round the whole round the vote at at the
vote at the
vote I have a question do you
mean you can leave at any time uh but if
you're not present for uh a vote you
will just be skipped you're not a player
at that
moment
because otherwise if someone's not here
we can't really do anything
technically well yes but it still says
in one or two that every player must
vote on every rule like if five people
get up and leave you can't play anymore
yeah right now without the
r
yeah that's the rule that I'm proposing
uh are there more questions Sven is
proposing a new rule every player a
player is and only is a person present
at the
vote is this
clear
okay okay what what is that okay thumbs
up thumbs up up up 1 2 3 4 5 six 7even
we have seven
four
yeah so I have 10 players right now and
seven votes for the change and you get
the rule passed
congratulations thank you you're right a
new rules
man uh at the same time we
have three against it right David
Alex
and timl serial contrarian
huh so you get
10 D it get 10 Alex get
10 and now svan your road to
dice
13
and we're going back to the
rules now we have a new rule that says a
player is and only is a person present
at the
vote
okay good now moving on to the next turn
Timo finally your
turn what are you going to
do
uh a new rule please a new rule please
okay if players are not on the seat or
not involved in the game during the
voting phase the votes will be divide
equal equally between the two results in
the event of a tie however the votes
will not
Beed if a player is not on their seat
during the
vote then that's not a player the vote
will be divided equally between the two
results in the event of a tie however
the votes will not be
counted
um their vote will be evenly divided I
think you have to explain it a bit
more doesn't it do
nothing it does not because it say
contary contrary to the previous
rule okay oh thank you if
players if a player is not on or not
involved in a
game are
not
involved in the game
during the voting
phase their
vote will be
divided will be
divided between the two results okay in
the event of a
tie
however the votes
will not be counted
okay do I get
this does it make any difference does it
make any difference
exactly it doesn't matter Timo doesn't
care I had no time to think Timo has no
time to you have time to think you can
think right now now you you refuse to
think okay it's different it's not that
you don't have time to think you you you
refuse to think okay Timo refuses to
think as a serial contrarian he ref
refuses to
think own
rul can he even refuses his own rule in
his voting being a Serial contrarian I
think he
will we can we can make a rule that says
Teo was not allowed to vote against
things we totally can do that you
totally can do that I
cannot is there any clarification needs
to be
made any
questions
faga
confusion
dismissal any anything okay no more
questions Shall We Begin to vote
okay let's vote on timo's proposal rule
305 if a player is not on their seat or
not involved in a game during the voting
phase their vote will be divided between
the two results in the event of a tie
however the votes will not be
counted he hacked the system because he
now gets 10 points and loses 10 points
so he gets out of
nothing I don't think he gets 10 points
it only applies rules
accepted really yeah yeah
yeah great all right the rule is not
voted for and hence we're going to
delete
it okay we can keep it
and well we we can do that and just
uh It also says rule 104 says that each
rule change proposed shall receive the
next integer whether or not the proposal
is adopted so we need to keep record of
the rules
correct
correct we need to we need to keep it so
we need to keep the number as
well di
foro yay yay
13 all right now our new player are you
used to
okay do do you want to continue play or
do you want
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to you can make changes to the previous
rules you can say be present or you can
just say you can also delete any of the
rules existing
rules I have I have an idea you have an
idea uh that teams can be
made uh teams can be made
um okay when one person uh ask a yes or
no question and every person that says
yes uh is a team and every person that
says no is a
team I think it would spice things up
basically
long these team
last
end
game I think that's a different rule I
don't
know guess once they form they exist
right you don't have a rule when
itop I don't think the the mic likes
me you're overthinking don't point it
towards the
speaker
yeah okay wait a second I just need I
think this
is the computer is
frozen I'm just going to listen to my
friend's voice memo real quick I'll be
right back you will be right
back okay can someone in 20 seconds okay
in 20 seconds can someone help her to
finalize the
rule
teams our R says she's not a player
anymore
on
player good points but she was a player
she propos right
so what is
it can be
formed can be formed by asking
yes by asking a yes no
question ah painful sorry this
I don't know how to type on the German
keyboard yes no
question
interesting
okay um and
everybody
says
yes maybe teams are formed according to
to the side you took in the
boat okay you have to talk to each other
it's not my role to get
involved they just different but I like
the idea that you can also not answer
then you're not part
of or you have you can't but but there
is a rule that you can't you must must
that's then you have
only two teams and then you rule
with that you get twice
Point
um applies equally to both sides and
does nothing well it could be a team of
Two and a team of
seven yeah but that's the fun that's the
fun of
it
so and it would mean that the teams have
to
agree
I but I'm just thinking could it also be
fun that you don't have to say yes no
but actually no I agre you have to when
you just go away from your um sitting
place you are just a short moment you're
not a player so you you not have to
answer and then you come back when all
people answered and then you are not
part of a team when I understand
everything
correctly
yeah and then you're the only person
who's vote just counts once so then it
must say every player must
answer every
player M
answer
and
become but do we but but I uh I'm
thinking do we make an option possible
to say maybe and then
the I think it would be better when you
could have three
team but that's a different Ro
proposal well she she
stilling how put the by asking by who
asking who asking
whom there is no subject in
this sentence when it's your turn to
suggest a rule instead of suggesting a
rule you could form a team form a team
and a oh yeah
that's
instead of making a
proposal of a rule
change the
player at their
turn can make a
team by
asking a yes no
question
two
yes no yes no
May is it a yes no or yes no maybe yes
no maybe Yes No
Maybe So what does maybe get you if you
say may maybe I want to join your
team no uh the question cannot be do you
want to join my team it has to be a
completely off topic question basically
so like do you like cats or something ah
and
then asking a ah okay to any other
player yes to any other
player is it allowed to Li allowed to
lie and every play must answer honestly
yes no uh it's allowed to lie it's
allowed to lie must answer and they are
allowed to
lie
only
team divide the
whole players into groups to divide the
players into
groups
yeah
can generate
teams to
all other
players and it should be generate not
General oh
sorry yes they get to answer their own
question and then join the team that
they get to answer ask and answer the
questions
yes instead of making a proposal of a
rule change the player at their turn can
generate teams by asking a yes no maybe
question to all other players and every
player must answer and they are allowed
to
lie yes
correct teams are formed based on
this
mechanism
I'm I'm okay with that you're okay with
this I think that's a great may I know
your name uh Lily Lily with a I or l and
a uh and I and I Lily yes so okay so
Lily proposed a very important rule
based on the principle of
fun that 306 instead of making a
proposal of a rule change the player at
their turn can generate teams by asking
a yes no maybe question to all other
players and every player must answer and
they are allowed to lie teams are formed
based on this
mechanism correct let's
vote all
right finalize
please okay now the rule gets
past and we
have you voted against it again
right and what's her name uh
Dei d i m i d i m i dii exactly yes
great you get 10 points as well and Lily
you guess to rad the
dice where did it did dice go do I close
it yeah here okay say
start
four okay you're good
four any other thing I'm
missing who gets a point okay all right
so
now we're going back to Dei
jmy you're finishing the round you power
come on uh I would create a new Ru for
going to create new team making because
currently not team making the lifespan
of teams wow the lifespan of teams um I
think it with the current mechanism of
creating a team mm it would
be the best if a team would only be
relid for one
one
round because every because there are
these
questions the thing is these questions
306 they I don't ask if I understand it
correctly 206 because in
202 um stands that first our rule is
proposed and then our
world but not that these questions are
asked I hope you understand what I mean
I do not perfectly does everybody
understand what he
means we didn't amend 202 yet no could i
m maybe instead of create a new world
change 202
yeah then I would um add as a first
point that happens even before proposing
a new
rule um that these yes no questions for
the teams get
asked this optional or do have are you
suggesting a change to
306 to what to what 30 306 no 202 yeah
202 that uh um first the okay so you
want to move basically you want to move
306 to 202 basically I want to include
306 into 202 yes incorporate 306 into
202
yes that it's so which is different from
what you said earlier about the lifespan
of a team it's different I had a new
idea okay you have a new
idea um Dei has an idea to incorporate
306 into 202 so instead of saying
instead of making a proposal that it is
a
compulsory to
replace
yeah but then that means that
I think it would be nice if it is
mandatory so you must as the very first
step of each round you must ask a yes no
question to both teams to spice it
up to spice it up that's a good reason
that's a very good reason this is
exactly what the game is
for we need more spice it's too blend at
the moment I'm bored
okay so but that means you have to think
about the consequence of that is that
each turn there will be a new team
forming yes right okay can edit you can
edit just 202 and in the edit he adds uh
basically what's said in 306 and add
what uh adds for example uh the lifespan
also to the things he
it's part of it
yeah
so one turn takes no more than 3 minutes
consists of three parts in this
order
that you first have
oops okay you have
the player at their turn
can the player at their
turn can generate teams by asking a yes
no maybe Quest
must must generate teams by asking and
each room must answer and they are
allowed to lie each
team but then but then you don't have to
you don't have to formulate the lifespan
of the team because automatically at
every new turn new teams are
formed
um we have a condition team meeting
thing for our yug Tech group a small
group of a few people every day to this
time
and is it then we would go away for a
few minutes a few many minutes and on
players this time so we should we make a
intermission of the
game do you want to finish your rule
first uh
yes
so
um okay sorry first you have to ask a
yes no question to generate a
team
then the original steps of toy would
come proposing a proposing one rule to
one proposing one rule change and having
it voted
on mhm and then the throwing one di one
die one and adding the number of points
on its face to one score
yeah yes that would be the new
proposal okay let's
vote
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 okay your rule gets
passed great so now we
have
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202
this gets written
over
oh okay now shall we continue or do you
want a
break continue V
vote we need a majority vote for this do
you want to continue or we need a
unanimous vote for
this I mean this is kind of an outside
of the game decision right yeah like the
game is on pause right
now a 10minute
break and then we meet here we meet here
at
1023 okay we meet back here at 1023 the
slot is until 4 the slot is until
4 until 4 until
4 but my suggestion is
that now we take a 10-minute break and
when we come back please spice after the
game right I think I think Lily has a
very very good point that it has to be
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fun
yeah
okay all
right anybody know
the I do I can take
[Applause]
you
yes
e
hi
hi all right we're going to resume the
game are there any new player we have
one new player anybody wants to join the
game we're going to
resume
yes great
my my spot's gone your your spot is gone
but I'm back but you are back
great anybody else we're going to start
a game no make no
make no more no missions okay now we're
going to start we can have
the microphone
back there's one over
there okay welcome back the second round
of NCH and we have exactly two more new
players and the rules are here that you
can you have you gotten okay I I've read
through them a bit great so here are the
rules and the basic rules are there are
a set there are two sets of rules one is
immutable one is mutable and you have to
make proposals at each
turn to either change the existing laws
or make new amendments and then
everybody has to vote on it and we're
currently at a position where everybody
has to vote on the change of rule and if
you get majority vote then the law gets
passed okay so now we are going back
to
Alex have ask yes question first or
correct
were you younger then or is that a
question
yes say it
again has
he has he get the dice R for the points
who uh demo Demi
yes good point he didn't should we roll
for him
exactly that's a good point that's a
that's a very good point I'm afraid we
have to lose
him to say goodbye yeah should we be
silent for a minute no for the loss of a
player
no yes but we we lost a player Alex go
on your question okay my yes no maybe
question is
were you younger than 12 years old when
you got your first
computer the first question is the
question Alex asks is were you
younger whoever was younger than 12
years old first computer raise your
hand we are the yes team you're the yes
team who says
no Lily and Hana who says
maybe wait
wait Emil and Monica just came back you
want to Reise you want to join back the
game okay okay all right quickly catch
you
up so you yeah you can sit
there em you you you have to sit next to
yeah quickly catch you up Emil Emil and
uh Monica that now we're beginning a new
round and Alex starts by asking the Yes
No Maybe question and her question was
were you older than 12 years old when
you got when you got your first computer
younger oh sorry younger were you
younger than 12 years old or younger
when you got your first computer
yeah okay again who is yes who was
younger than 12 or younger than 12 when
you got your first computer who was
older than 12 or
12 older okay okay who was maybe older
than 12 okay so you're the maybe team so
we have three teams
now okay now a reminder of the team rule
is
that one players 303 when players team
up their votes must be consistent and
each team teammate gets two
votes but we also have the rule that
says that each teammate gets one vote
yeah and prior to that we have another
rule that says each player has exactly
one vote and it is number 207 which
means it's a lower number and that means
it takes precedence and we will go by
one player one
vote but the other one that your votes
have to be consistent Ste
rules
okay so
now we're getting a new proposal from
Alex so the team rule is invalid we just
have a team that does
nothing
okay
um
I would like to propose an
alteration an alteration
of of rule 208 rule
208 which is the winning
condition
yes that's a very good change of rule
and I
would
like to change it
to the winner is
the last
person to propose a losing
rule or a rule that did not what is it
called a rule that did not get uh
voted for um by the majority a losing
proposal um so is
it not adopted okay so um maybe
the the winner is the last person to
propose a rule that did not get adopted
a losing
proposal can can you just write what I'm
saying please I'm
sorry prop a rule not get
adopted not adopted that did not get
adopted that did not get
adopted at the moment the game
ends
period which is at four
which might be no no no that's not a
part of the rule it might be at four but
the rule just says at the moment where
the game ends
okay it might
continue is there a question is there a
question Lily
question
yes
that is up to the next rule
changes because you're all allowed to
propose a rule and we do not have a rule
when the game ends yet we might have the
external condition that it ends at 4
p.m. um but the rule that I'm proposing
just says that the winner
is the person who lost the last proposed
rule at the time when the game ends and
somebody after me might want to propose
a rule on how the game ends or
when finalized is the proposal finalized
questions are there any more
questions no questions no objections now
we are going to
vote I've got a question about the
voting process now
because um we just decided that team
votes must be an
yes and how do we achieve
that good
question um but we
also said that so um we have two rules
that are in conflict with each other
right the each person has just one vote
each player has just one vote and each
player on the team gets two votes and
the rule with the first number takes
precedence so basically everybody has
just one vote right now exactly so we do
but they have to be consistent do they
yes yes we have a
rule that it has to be
consistent oh because that part of the
rule is not in conflict with exactly
right so okay everybody who got their
computers before age 12 no I'm not sure
about that yet um I do not know the
number but there is a rule that uh says
that rules might be totally void if they
conflict with something I'm not sure
about
exact and you don't mean
21 I mean rule
106 that rules might be void and without
effect if they conflict with immutable
rules oh with some immutable
rule is giving every player a vote and
just one vote immutable rule no it's a
207 so it's a mutable
rule okay now I suppose we have to
figure out how to vote anonymously in a
team yeah so the there is a suggestion
in the
rule
210 players may not conspire or consult
on the making of future oh no sorry
that's the
future but you you may discuss among
yourself so I would propose we divide by
space and discuss within the teams how
we're
voting need
to and we have three minutes right okay
I think Lily switch seat with Alex Alex
go sit where Hannah is Hannah moves to
where Lily
is or no
um okay or you you just go join
them
so computer people
is anybody against I
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am I think it opens the game up a bit
honestly like because we don't know
what's going to happen that's basically
my argument in papor because we don't
have a defined set point where the game
ends no
no if this is the one that we are you
have exactly one minute to
decide yeah so we don't have a rule on
when the game ends so somebody else will
have to make a rule on when the game
ends because we right now we don't have
an end point for the
game the winner this Ru is being this is
striking this rule it's not going to
exist
anymore yeah so that rule is not going
to exist anymore um and we don't have
the points don't matter right now and
basically the C it still doesn't def
when the game ends no and this is but
you can propose a rule to that defines
when the game ends you still can without
adopting that one and still making the
win of the person with 100 points could
no you cannot because that's the rule
we're
replacing game this rule is
also replacing you want to keep I want
to
[Music]
keep time's
up all right now we have to
vote I think we're stuck in that case
and then we're going to argue for a
while until we figure out what to do you
have to make a
decision
now
[Music]
wow wellow what happens if the team
doesn't vote
unanimously we would have to leave the
game you have to so can we not vote then
it must be consistent but what happens
if
ites well what what happens if you don't
obey the
rules would that just be considered Che
I mean then the real change doesn't
happen you have to interpret it your
way I guess that happens when you make
laws without teeth like if you just say
this is forbidden you must do
this exactly you must do this it's up to
the group to Define their own rules
and yeah but then everybody because we
already know who's in favor and who's
not in favor then those two will say
okay we're against that
process
what
voting I think pretty big step back when
we
ous voting into the groups after
we all right time to vote time to vote
now Lily on your own
against you're you're together okay
you're one team okay you're
against you're for and no and we're in
consistent we're we're
inconsistent you cannot be inconsistent
you have to be
consistent you must be
consistent problem okay so you are you
guys are blocking so um what we kind of
videoing it right now yeah but what what
happens if I consistent it's not F
that's the problem it's not allowed it's
not allow so
what you have to finish each
other you have to inside of the team
exactly we did this already and you have
five people that's impossible that you
don't yes we wrote it but don't obey
this rule yeah I mean the majority is in
favor but and the minority is against
this rule they cannot they cannot you
rule over them your majority do they
though because in
teams I
think in order to in order to keep the
game going now we have to interpret the
rule to Cur the current set of rules
this way that the majority
rules I guess you could say
uh so majority you can
appeal yeah
to the false judging of the judge okay
the
judge for now you can also appeal to
that I don't have to be the judge you
can also replace me and you be the
judge that last propos irrelevant like
you can just introduce a rule that's so
stupid nobody will vote for it at the
last possible second and you win the
game I think that's a pretty bad way to
the game that's not an immutable rule
like you can literally change that same
rule in the next I also don't have to
vote for it now if I don't think
good
I I'm fine with being overruled I just
don't want to accept the I don't want to
vote for that rule though I'm fine being
overruled in the groups uh if that's the
way we decided this for now before we
get a fixed rule then fine I basically
don't want to have this discussion until
for
call okay in order to I guess I hear a
point and that's a very good point and
remember
that we we'll always have conflicts and
differences in interpreting the
laws and you can create procedures to
appeal to the the decision and you can
also try to persuade your team members
there are different ways to resolve this
okay but for now for now the decision is
that the majority votes win I guess
voting as a group is positive positive
the rule gets passed
all
right well we can change the teams will
be changed at the next
session you do you want to sit over
there yeah who needs the
mic oh you yeah so re resume your seat
Lily go go back because we need to have
the clockwise order am I next you are
next and may I know your name James
James with a big M
oh we didn't do
the
no not yet also we uh should give the
points to the opposing
team dice
row
10 Alex you have 10
and that was EML and Lily gets 10 more
oh now we have Dei and divit back
so great wa why do I get 10 point
because you voted against wait yes you
voted against the winning
proposal even though the points are
irrelevant now even though the points
are irrelevant now good
point
so for now
okay all right welcome back DIY and
divit and this is the second round of
the game and the judge encourages
everybody to spice up the game because
we have the venue until 400 p.m. and we
have exactly 49 minutes to
go and remember you are making the rules
yourself and is the next question uh yes
no question yes you begin with asking
yes no maybe question any question
people are allowed to lie what uh was
your first computer
black was your first computer
black James question was was your first
computer black
yes okay when you when you answer yes go
to my left hand side when you answer no
go to my right hand
side okay so the other way and maybe
maybe is in the middle maybe stays on
the
couches this ISS
yes stage right is yes stage left is no
okay okay okay new teams are formed
great now James you're making a new
proposal a new proposal mhm um the game
ends at 4:00 p.m. the game ends at at
400 p.m. today
today uh Middle Eastern saving time this
was here location time so Middle Eastern
Eastern summer saving time yes
summertime
yes
today today is 17th of
August
calendar we use already
in can we using can I change it yes you
may change it um the game ends when uh
when we our time at the stage is
[Music]
up so when we we need to leave the stage
for the next talk yes which is this yes
I would say
also
yes uh can you change the the wording
yes the game the game
ends
when we need to
leave the
stage where we
now where where we are right
at no no right it where where we are
now yeah okay
um this is my final answer okay this is
your
final
shall we vote do you need discussion
among the
teammates okay now we give you one
minute
for your information this is a game
called
nomic and each move of the game is a
change of rules everybody makes
suggestions of the rule changes and then
we'll vote on it and but this is also
arbitrary because you can also change
that so if you want to join you're
welcome to
join just find a seat in the closer
Circle one
round it's the best game trust me if it
is not then this your own fault because
you're making the
rules
time's up
okay repeat James suggestion of new rule
309 is that the game ends when we need
to leave the stage where we are right
at now we start to vote and
and that's four
against you are four four that's against
so the rule setly doesn't get past I'm
[Music]
afraid you may resume your seat and
we'll continue the next
turn so the next one comes back to
EML what have you got
I repeat that the second round should be
spicy and
fun go ahead no
pressure email want
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to are you making a new rule are you're
making Amendment uh yeah a new rule a
new rule we have to start with a
question maybe the we no you have to
start with a question that's true good
point you have to ask the Yes No Maybe
question rule number 307
one turn takes no more than 3 minutes
consists of three parts in this order
can we set the timer yes we may set a
timer uh who likes gu pig guinea
pigs yeah do you like guinea pigs do you
like guinea
pigs Yes No
Maybe
you may lie remember you may lie you go
down there more you like it yeah the
more you like it it's a gradient it's
not a yes no maybe question
anymore all right okay
now imil you may make the new rule
proposal
change the new rule change proposal can
we do it as a
team no you cannot that's her that's
their
turn um maybe we uh put this
um a pck somewhere uh on this chair and
the game ends when uh
child touches it the game ends
one uh child touches the alaka the
alaka so okay the G game ends at the
alaka uh no we put the alaka somewhere
um on the
chair where a lot of people walk by and
if a small child it's touches it and we
the game ends M the game the game ends
when we put the pka somewhere on the
chair
and and
the
child
touches that chair this chair and uh do
you want
to which child
Define child some child Define child are
you a
child
um what uh younger than 10 younger any
okay any child younger
than
any
child
younger than 10 touches
it
this chair in the chair could you bring
the chair in the middle of the
[Music]
stage all right the game ends when we
put the alpaka
somewhere
[Music]
all right we have to vote
now um
do the ru change being the proposal is
the game ends when we put the alpaka
somewhere in the chair
this chair and any child younger than 10
years old touches
it okay shall we
vote so this
is this is one team three of you and
your vote
[Music]
is four
you like you like it okay this is a big
team in the
middle your decision
matters you're also for
it okay not to say that your decision
doesn't matter but it
[Laughter]
doesn't
there is a rule you get 10
[Laughter]
points okay all right the rule change
from email is
adopted
and and James you get 10 points just by
being a
contrarian
yeah be a Ribble yeah okay now we have
to roll the
Dy you're eating and we have to move
please
[Music]
move okay you say start I will roll the
dice start oh sorry
again oh it's coming it's coming
comair we can move the chair the chair
you may move the chair you may yeah you
may hold up the chair we are very free
to
move child can someone hold
a do
that's wow
there there's a free
ranging he's coming he's
coming to theair the r
theair all right okay we have a new um
resume your res resume your seat please
every player resume your seat please a
new
turn that
was that was a winning proposal from
Emil and the next one
Monica
um my my proposal is to put the
chair oh no I have to make a question
right yeah you have to make a question
exactly first of all
um
[Laughter]
um okay don't be distracted Monica um
who likes a chocolate with a salty
caramel salty caramel salty caramel
chocolate lovers yes no in the middle
salty caramel salty caramel chocolate
lovers yes no you a
[Laughter]
middle all right I I announced that the
game has ended we do not have a rule for
winner though we do have a rule for the
winner we do the winner is the last
person to propose a rule that did not
get adopted at the moment when the rule
when the game ends
which which was
[Music]
James was his
proposal uh his proposal was his
proposal was the game ends well we need
to leave the stage when we are right
ahead yes okay it is the end of the game
everybody thanks for playing thanks for
playing and if you want to continue we
can find another
[Applause]
time